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Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Jan 18, 2006 3:04:51 GMT -5
This thread was made to be a social board for the classic psx game, Final Fantasy Tactics.
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Post by fenris on Jan 18, 2006 3:14:58 GMT -5
I actually ended up getting this because I wanted to get Legend of Dragoon which was not avalable at the time. In the end it was worth it onther than this game being insanely hard the story and characters are far superior. n fact this has got to have one fo the best video game stories I've ever seen.
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Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Feb 7, 2006 2:37:50 GMT -5
Well I found this review on FFTactics and found it pretty commical. How could I not put it up? Enjoy.
(thing) by BigDave66 (3.2 mon) (print) ? Thu Apr 19 2001 at 1:05:29
Final Fantasy Tactics is the most viciously anti-Catholic game that I have personally ever played (warning: spoilers ahead). This has caused a great deal of controversy over the game - some applaud the Catholic-bashing while some decry it, but its presence should be obvious to one with even the broadest knowledge of the Catholic Church.
The game's Glabados Church is set up in a hierarchy obviously modeled on the church, including bishops, cardinals, and even the pope himself. The religion is based on the story and worship of St. Ajora, who supposedly performed various miracles throughout his life and was named the "Son of God." Following the path of an ancient legend, Ajora and his TWELVE disciples (i.e. apostles) collected the Zodiac stones and used them to rid the land of an evil demon. One of the powerful nations in the area feared the power of Ajora, and paid one of his disciples to betray him (hello, Judas). Ajora is then captured and executed at the Golgorand Execution Site (they weren't quite willing to call it Golgotha). I doubt I need to say it at this point, but St. Ajora is a rather obvious parallel for Jesus.
Throughout Final Fantasy Tactics, the Church is portrayed as meddling and power-hungry, and your enemies are frequently high-ranking Church officials. There are "Heresy Examiners" whose cruel methods of weeding out heresy parallel those used by the Inquisitors during the Spanish Inquisition. Near the end of the game it is revealed that not only did the Church help start the major war which dominates the game, but the Pope also plans to assassinate the leaders of the nations involved to make sure that he can lead the nations unopposed when the war is over. This sort of thing is fairly standard in anti-Catholic works, but Final Fantasy Tactics goes a step further - the "Glabados" Church is not simply wrongheaded, but is evil to its very core. The Church has begun collecting the Zodiac stones from the Ajora legend, stones which turn out to be excellent means with which to contact the netherworld. You are confronted by several high-ranking Churchmen who have used a stone to trade their soul to the devil for power, who you then must destroy. Not a nice representation of Catholic officials.
However, the game's most vicious attack is found in what you learn during the game about St. Ajora, much of which is contained in a secret text concealed from the world by the Church. Not only was Ajora not the "Son of God," he was a spy whose mission was to spread dissent and disorder; his "Judas" was another spy, sent to spy on him . Ajora did collect the Zodiac stones, as told in his story - not to save the world, however, but to conquer it. The demon from which St. Ajora was reputed to have saved the world was, in fact, St. Ajora. In the last battle of the game, St. Ajora is being resurrected (Second Coming) and you have to stop it, because he comes not as savior but as destroyer; this "Bloody Angel" means to destroy the world. Thus, the game's Christ turns out to be the Antichrist.
How you interpret all this is up to you. I have read editorials which angrily denounce Squaresoft for claiming that Catholics are just a bunch of devil worshippers, while others I have read claim that the similarities between the Glabados and Catholic churches are simply an unintended coincidence. Whatever your feelings on Catholicism, however, it is interesting to play this game and watch these parallels unfold before you. Incidentally, at the end of the game, one of the main characters publishes the truth about everything he saw; he was burned at the stake for heresy.
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Post by fenris on Feb 7, 2006 2:46:11 GMT -5
To that I would respond with since it ONLY parallels real world events its nothing to worry about. Besides it is ultimatly only a story and a good one at that. Takes you by suprise first itme through and it is truely a unique story.
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Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Feb 8, 2006 15:45:30 GMT -5
I found this site filled with FFTactics quotes. and alot of them are really good. Ive played this game many times but Ive fogotten how good the story really is. en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Final_Fantasy_TacticsThese are some of my favorites. "It sounds good when you say 'For the People', but what you really want is... a stronger army than the Knights, and the evil power to control the people." - Ramza Beoulve Don't blame us. Blame yourself or God." - Delita. "Master, 'Bloody Angel'... Let me offer you 'blood' darker than wine and hotter than burning lava!" - Hashmalum/Vormav "our nation exists because of the people! We exist because of them" - T.G. Cid Orlandu "Pledging life-long loyalty, that's the Orlandu way" - T.G. Cid Orlandu "Did my father die fighting heroically?" - Olan Durai (About T.G. Cid Orlandu) "Governments falsify history only so it favours them. But you can't blame them. Because people always hope for a 'miracle'. Endlessly complaining, lazy, nuisances... that's what the masses really are. Governments give the people what they want... and history repeats itself. Governments might well have taken advantage of their insecurity... but then again, people are satisfied being used... 'God' is nothing but an image created out of their insecurity. It's their fault for knowing they're comfortably numb, and not doing anything about it" - Wiegraf Folles
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Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Feb 8, 2006 15:53:45 GMT -5
Ok I looked at this site. And I saw alot of quotes from two of the biggest Aholes in this game. These people arent even associated with Lucavi either. See these are the kind of Romans I want to fight and heroically kill with my hands when we play Rune.
ZALMO (The Pagan Examiner) "Your actions will disrupt the world order and oppose 'God's' natural providence. Are you trying to rebel against 'God'?" - Zalmo Rusnada
"Disrupt the 'order'? This 'order' you talk about is just a matter of your own convienence!! Using 'God' as an order' to control the people is absurd. You have no right to take advantage of the innocent" - Delita Hyral
Zalmo: Opposing us is the same as blasphemy! Zalmo: Repent! And your life will be saved! Zalmo: You heretics don't fear God! I'll fix you!
ALGUS Miluda: Who do you think we are!? We're not animals! We're human, just like you! There's no difference other than our families! You ever been hungry? With only soup to eat for months? Why do we have to suffer? Because you nobles deprive us of our right to live! Algus: Human? Hmph, ridiculous! From the minute you were born you had to obey us! From the second you were born you were our animals! Miluda: Says who!? That's nonsense! Who decided all this?! Algus: It is the Will of Heaven! Miluda: Heaven? God would never say such things! In his eyes, all are equal! He'd never let this happen! Never! Algus: Animals have no God!
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Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Feb 10, 2006 1:58:43 GMT -5
I wish Ramza could become something else other then a squire in chapter 4. heres a list of titles he could of changed to that I would be ok with.
1.Heavenly Knight Like Balbanes(Not Heaven Knight)
2.Holy Swordsman like Orlandu
3.Holy Knight like Agrias
4.White Knight like Wiegraf
5.Dark Knight (well it would still be better then Squire)
6.Paladin a class not featured in the game and would be befitting for Ramza. (You can have a knight that uses white magic but its not the same plus thats not the aspect of the paladin im looking for.)
7.Hero The main characters of shining force tend to simply have the class of hero. A fitting title for Ramza.
8.Brahman Knight My own personal idea for a class for Ramza. a sacred job class only awared to true heros who fight for the justice of others.
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Post by fenris on Feb 10, 2006 2:10:56 GMT -5
Her would be good. Ogre Battle had your main character be a lord, Dragon Warrior 3 your main character was hero and tohse are not the only games ot do this. So Ramza really did deserve something special especially given how many other peopel have fancy titles and unique abilities.
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Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Feb 11, 2006 2:28:24 GMT -5
I was just thinking. If all 13 Lucavi did get loose at once. Hashmalum fought and killed over 500 normal human knights on a single rampage without assitance. It would be assumed they are normal warriors and not anything special like Ramza and his men. Now that was just Rivones castle, just to defend himself and at the castle meaning that wasn't even his maxium output. But lets just stick to 500. Now if the other Lucavi demons are loose, lets just they say can handle 500 each. Factor in an extra 500 on top for Altima the leader being involved and Serpentarius for being stronger. And you have a very conservative estimate that the 13 Lucavi can take on and kill 7000 knights without getting tired,weak or injured. Now just remind yourself that each one probably has thousands of Ultima demons, Archaic demons and Apandas to command as well as all sorts of monsters and undead. There really would be no stopping them.
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Post by fenris on Feb 11, 2006 2:33:57 GMT -5
Well not without a lot of bloodshed and a lot of luck anyway.
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Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Feb 11, 2006 2:52:11 GMT -5
The more I think about it, one thing I got to say though is that Hashmalum was a very cool villian and is starting to become one of my more favorite villians throughout the entire FF Series. In the disguise of the human Vormav the temple knight, he manipulated the Pope to start the war between the dukes, and tried to pass out the zodiac stones to suitable hosts to revive his Lucavi brothers. His plot would of worked if Ramza hadn't killed them all. In short it was Hashmalum doing everything from the start and the real villian that messed around with you throughout FFT. Altima would not of even be able to come back for a day, if wasn't for Vormav/Hashmalum. Infact Altima couldn't do anything without his help, until after he revived. Being loyal though he sacrificed his own life to Altima, I suspect Altima could of brought them all back to life anyway, so it wasn't any big deal. But anyway thats just my thoughts on a FF good villian thats hardly ever noticed or realized
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Post by fenris on Feb 11, 2006 23:03:36 GMT -5
That's because these days ist all about graphics and flushing any possiblity of story down the toilet.
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