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Zelda
Nov 5, 2005 15:50:29 GMT -5
Post by Reno on Nov 5, 2005 15:50:29 GMT -5
Trying to figure out continuity between the Zelda's is probably a lost cause now.
I am glad they didn't put any voice acting in, but I could've done without the "Uh, aah, oof" crap as well. Especially that d**n fairy in Ocarina of Time with her "Hey, listen!" I wanted to flush that d**n firefly down the toilet everytime she spoke up.
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Zelda
Nov 6, 2005 15:59:34 GMT -5
Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Nov 6, 2005 15:59:34 GMT -5
I bear a deep hatred for those utterances myself.
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Zelda
Nov 6, 2005 16:18:21 GMT -5
Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Nov 6, 2005 16:18:21 GMT -5
I go by a simplified continuty that doesn't include the later games.
1.Zelda 3 A Link the Past: The SNES one. Reasoning is this game was sort of portrayed as a prequel and the first battle between Link and Gannon. It also shows Link and Zelda meeting for the first time. It also talks of how the goddess made the triforce in the first place.
2.Zelda 4 Links Awakening: The First Gameboy one. This game in truth can be placed anywhere in the timeline. It could be after Z1, or Z2 or anywhere. But since the gameplay style is so much like Z3 and because it was made right after Z3, I personaly like to place this game as the next one in the timeline.
3.Zelda 1 The Legend of Zelda: The first one on nes. The orginal Zelda. Would otherwise be first if prequels haven't been made.
4.Zelda 2 Links Adventure: The second one on nes. Very clearly meant to be the direct sequel to Z1.
5.The cartoons,comics and novels all took place after the events of Zelda2. Back in the early 90s, when Zelda 1 and 2 were very popular all sorts of fictional tales were made in their honor. Including more games that were direct sequels to Z2 for very obscure game systems. This was the Zelda of my youth and how I best remember it.
This is the continuity as I prefer to see it, and will keep it that way.
Now As for Zelda 64 Orcarina of Time, I don't dislike or anything, but too many changes have been made to make it realistically connect to the standard Zelda series. For one Link shifting from child to adult, elders turning out to be all sorts of weird creatures, when their descendants were either humans or elves. Zoras looking too different and being mostly good, when before they were mostly evil.
Zelda64 to me is best viewed as a retelling of the Zelda story, in its own little universe disctinct from the tales of the first 4 games.
For what its worth in Miyamotos latest timeline.(hes always been changing it drastically.) Zelda 64 would be the prequel to Z3. Its also a completely different Link. And he declares Z3s Link to be even different from Z1&2s Link. It is here where I just ignore it all together and accept what you saw I made above as the timeline.
Aside from the visual pain that is Winkwaker, he makes things even more complex by making that a prequel, to Z1 and Z2 but after Z64 and Majoras Mask. Same goes for the newest Zelda being worked on, which is still yet another prequel. Will they ever make a game that takes place after Zelda2? Thats what I been waiting for. Anyway if the new one turns out to be good, ill look at it as I do Z64, as an independent retelling of the zelda tale.
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Zelda
Nov 6, 2005 16:30:10 GMT -5
Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Nov 6, 2005 16:30:10 GMT -5
I wish to state that by no means am I declaring this timeline as the right or offcial timeline. It is merely the timeline best for me, that I feel the most comfortable with. Obviously this is clearly outside the vision of the series creator Miyamoto.
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Reno
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Zelda
Nov 9, 2005 21:39:12 GMT -5
Post by Reno on Nov 9, 2005 21:39:12 GMT -5
My understanding was that Ocarina of Time was intended as a prequel to A Link to the Past. That's why you see the human Ganondorf and his being sealed away by the sages, events that are referred to in the story of A Link to the Past.
And I am sure that Link's Awakening is indeed intended to follow A Link to the Past, not only because it plays most like the SNES game, but also because it was made directly after that game.
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Zelda
Nov 9, 2005 23:34:14 GMT -5
Post by fenris on Nov 9, 2005 23:34:14 GMT -5
My timeline is pretty simple. It goes Ocerana of Time, A Link to the PAst, Zelda 1, Zelda 2, Link's Awakening and then forget the rest of the crap they did.
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Zelda
Nov 10, 2005 0:08:53 GMT -5
Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Nov 10, 2005 0:08:53 GMT -5
What about the 7 wisemen and the zoras?
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Zelda
Nov 10, 2005 0:58:00 GMT -5
Post by fenris on Nov 10, 2005 0:58:00 GMT -5
That's a problem but at least compared to the other games its playable. Well, there's the GBC games but I never played them. So really the official timeline should be the first 4. It's just that dispite any problems Ocerana of Time may have had its nothing when compared to the crap they called Windwaker.
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Zelda
Nov 10, 2005 2:03:56 GMT -5
Post by Reno on Nov 10, 2005 2:03:56 GMT -5
Here's a thought for you: The issue is that supposedly Ganondorf was sealed away by "Seven Wise Men," and yet in Ocarina of Time he is actually sealed away by an old man, a young girl from the Kokiri village, a Goron, a Zora princess, a Gerudo thief, and Zelda's nanny Impa. And of course the princess herself.
My answer to why this is different than the "seven wise men" tale spun in A Link to the Past? Simple. Legends change over time. Details get mixed up. Is it really so hard to believe that, from all the time that passed between Ganondorf's being sealed away and his being freed by Agahnim, a few details might have gotten mixed up or simplified?
And as for the fact that Zoras are enemies in pretty much every game before Ocarina of Time, again: things change over time. Who's to say that perhaps relations between the kingdom of Hyrule and the Zoras didn't sour over time? Maybe they're mad that their own Princess Ruto was written out of the history of Ganon's imprisonment. So much time passes between Ocarina and the other games that pretty much anything could have happened to cause the Zoras and Hyrulians to become enemies.
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Zelda
Nov 10, 2005 2:16:48 GMT -5
Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Nov 10, 2005 2:16:48 GMT -5
Could be, but I prefer the story as stated a Link to the past. There was even a picture of seven wise men who sealed the golden land. Actually the did it because all the people comming to look for the power became violent and it led to mass war, and didnt even have anything to do with sealing Gannon. Gannon was a thief that got lucky and snuck in and actually found the triforce. I like some aspects of Zelda64 with gannon being a former desert theif. however I dont like how hes the only man among that clan. cause that means his duties are rather unpure, and since hes evil and left them, how will that tribe survive? I dont know. for me I just prefer to look at Zelda64 in its own universe. then it doesnt bother me at all.
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Zelda
Nov 10, 2005 2:20:52 GMT -5
Post by Arkhon Arkhozh on Nov 10, 2005 2:20:52 GMT -5
its a good idea over all though and I used a simalar idea to explain Sword of Mana to FFAdventure. where FFAdventure is the real story, and Sword of Mana is the romantized tale. In this case Z64 would have to be the romantized tale for me though. Its just too different for me to accept for what it is into the main zelda line.
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